Monday, January 23, 2012

La Disciplina

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Unrelated inappropriate picture. If you're not sure why it's inappropriate...well, it's just a very anatomically correct statue is all.

Let's talk discipline in Spanish schools. I overhead two Spanish girls today talking about the school systems in England, since they had just spent a few weeks there student teaching at the schools.

"They are obsessed with lining up straight" the one sniffed.

"And only speaking when you raise your hand first. I mean, not even a word without the teacher telling you can talk" lamented the other.

They laughed together: "that's why they line up so straight at bus stops." 

This got me thinking about how our education systems really speak volumes about us as a culture, and shape the next generation not just intellectually but also culturally.

British kids are encouraged to be restrained and disciplined and definitely non-chatty. Americans are encouraged to think for themselves, compete with their peers (sometimes respectfully, sometimes not) and consistently strive for their best. (By the way, if you think that list seems universal, you are probably American. None of them are particularly important in Spain.)

Discipline in Spanish classrooms is more lenient in some ways, harsher in others. In general, the noise level is outrageous and "speaking in turn" is totally unenforced. Kids are always up out of their seats, and they often interrupt the teacher in the middle of the lecture. Cheating is a minor kid offense that everyone is expected to do at some point, like picking your nose. Cheaters are usually just told to keep their eyes on their paper, without any of the disciplinary fuss that would be raised at an American school. 

On the other hand, I'm inclined to believe that lung power is part of the requirement for being a Spanish teacher, because they are a real bunch of screamers. They yell at kids, individually and collectively, in ways that Americans would feel are unnecessary and harsh. They will get in a kid's face and yell "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? USE YOUR HEAD FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE! WHAT A BABY!" in a way that has me wide-eyed in the corner. But everyone takes it in stride and five minutes later the teacher is kissing the kid on the cheeks and telling him how handsome he is, like normal (Spanish teachers are demeaning at times but are much more affectionate than American teachers are encouraged to be, so the pendulum swings both ways!) 

In Spain, individual thinking and initiative is not particularly encouraged. Everybody is mostly supposed to stick to the script. Grades are public property, and a teacher will read out everyone's grades on a test to the whole classroom, to the jeers and cheers of the audience. 

This isn't the complete picture, of course. I've worked in three elementary schools over the past two years, and The Mister in a high school, and four schools total isn't exactly a wide sample size. Andalucía, particularly Málaga, is known for being laid-back even for Spaniards, so maybe it's just a bit wild down here in the south?

Either way, it is never boring.

   


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10 comments:

  1. I am teaching in Castilla Y leon, and I think the picture you paint is correct. We have less discipline problems at my school, but the teachers behave in the same way.

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  2. Same up north. When I saw a kid cheating, my teacher just laughed and told me all the ways she used to cheat when she was in school. I also see another teacher swat kids on the head, and give them medicine when they're sick. Sometimes I still don't know how to react to the things I see!

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  3. Ditto for my high school experiences here in Madrid! I was absolutely mortified when a teacher started telling me personal notes about each kid (i.e. what medications they take)...while the students were within hearing range in the classroom!

    However, I'm curious to see if there are any discipline differences between public and private schools; I tutor a few students who go to public schools, and from my experience they are very respectful and concerned with making good grades.

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  4. *that should be private schools in the last paragraph.

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  5. that picture is hilarious. that's what this post was about, right?

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  6. I definitely see the same things in Galicia (although no teachers calling their students handsome!). Sometimes I can't believe the lack of discipline! Kids running all over the room, crawling through the desks, saying swear words in English, chatting in the back of the room...and the teacher just says "quiet now, quiet down." But then sometimes there is physical discipline, like the teacher hitting the kid on the head or pulling their ear (neither of them hard, but it's still something that would never be done in the US!). And sometimes they scream, like you say...and they demean the students' level of English too. It's hard to get used to sometimes!

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  7. These are the kinds of posts I relish most (oh, wait; maybe it's the beautiful photography) - the ones that compare living in Spain and US customs. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

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  8. I totally agree with your observations. I have met very few teachers who use systems of positive reinforcement to discipline (what up Forenex behavior traffic light!) and mostly rely on yelling at their class. While this usually works for a short period of time on the younger students, it is clear that it loses its effect when the kids get older. In working with secondaria students, none of the teachers have control over their classrooms. However, teachers are much more affectionate with younger kids giving them hugs and tons of kisses. Coming from working at American summer camps where physical contact was encouraged but only in very controlled ways...high fives, pats on the back, side hugs etc.

    I also feel that since teachers do themselves a disservice by allowing the kids to call them by their first name and dressing extremely casually at school. It seems like a little thing but it makes teachers seem like a friend rather than an authority figure.

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    1. I meant to say at the end of the first paragraph that coming from an American summer camp seeing all the kisses and physical affection was definitely a shock for me.

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  9. Glad to hear this rings a bell for others - I was a little worried that I'd post this and everyone would be like WHAT?! My school is not like that AT ALL!

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